MIJA RIEDEL: Why do you say it demands sincerity and honesty? I enjoy going out. You know, they can do all of the mental masturbation or mental gymnastics on that one. MIJA RIEDEL: And do you think she did not either? But high school is where it really started tothe art department at the high school was reallybecause they were incredibly supportive, very enlightened. And, luckily, some of them are good artists and good painters, have known me for a long time. NEIL WILLIAMS: Okay. And so, I detached from trying to identify how I fit in that. This transcript is open for research. But. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh my God, right herethat's a whole other disc I think. The camelyou know, all those little figurines, they were wanting to explore, like she said, small figurines on a colossal, larger-than-life-size scale. Have you heard the old statement that hope springs eternal? But those two especially made me feel very comfortable, NEIL WILLIAMS: and very appreciated, and it really helped to validate that I was on the right track with my work. I'll say one thing, Lucky Leak wouldn't have won at Canterbury had Jim Cassidy ridden it as programmed. You have to go back and pick individuals. I mean, I've had some struggles having to do some production works sometimes, like on multiples but. Neil Williams. You know, it's like, "Personal experience!" Andthey had, it was an unusual couple. I was telling him about Maria Martinez the other day. You know, you lose a house, you lose a dear friend young, multiple friends young, unexpectedly. There's a calling here that is just going to be-I knew it was going to be interesting, and I knew it was going tomy sense was it could get crazy at times, but it was manageable. But they were. NEIL WILLIAMS: Normally, I tend to edit, I think, tonot that I'm"PC" is my, you know, my forerunning concern in life, but I try and be respectful and not hurt anyone's feelings. And insights ofhow the mind works, how the creative mind worksyou know, how the primitive mind works in relation to creativity. NEIL WILLIAMS: and it was built by a horticulture professor at U.C. You approach it from a different way than you might otherwise. So, they supported the cost of larger pieces, and then big pairs of columns and such, and we're back to the little cup and saucer again. Mm-hmm. NEIL WILLIAMS: And you also have to find a spot where you know what you're doing is right. And I think that came aboutshe went to a Betye Saar lecture and they were asking Betye Saar about what else is really important, be said, "Well, my children were so important to me, I might take some time off from my work for my children." NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah, with a great deep love of art history throughout every culture. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah, within the end of the first semester there, yeah. He didn't deserve it. But for theI mean those, I don't even consider it anymore, because those positions are allactually, who was it that was talking about, a few years back, when Rudy Turk was retiring from ASU. NEIL WILLIAMS: Very good partner and a beautiful girl. MIJA RIEDEL: And do you sell that [work MR] regularly through a shop or fairs? And he looked, and he said, "Excuse me?" I mean she'd give up anything to make art. MIJA RIEDEL: Had you see Paulus Berensohn's book Finding One's Way with Clay? NEIL WILLIAMS: He would write stuffI mean, I'd find little notes all over the place, little critiques about, you know. NEIL WILLIAMS: But I especially remember her being very patient, very thoughtful, very generous, but also very caring about Violathe bigger picture of Viola's life. At certain times I question, "Oh my gosh. [Laughs.] Then they can be wonderful and enriching and motivational experiences, or they can be make you want to crawl back into your studio and be left alone experiences [Laughs.]. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, seeing in terms of a painting, a canvas. Neil is a thoroughly decent person who won't let you down and a creative without 'the attitude'' that so often comes with such talents. Were not perfect, and we all need to follow President [Russell M.] Nelsons counsel about daily efforts to change, to repent., President Nelson taught, Hope emanates from the Lord . 0000114923 00000 n Museum, is through Stphane and his donations, too. I hope they come." She had a very infectious giggle. And I've spent the last 25 years on the intermediate side, so. So, long before you were graduating high school, and there are, MIJA RIEDEL: dozens of them, and clearly the Japanese influence is very. A presentation of a bouquet of flowers is a special way of showing youre thinking of them and their loss, as the bright colours reflect the personality of the passed loved one. NEIL WILLIAMS: She would decide. She later on started just hand building them and nixed the molds, but. I wanted to touch on those today. Thanks for the heads up." There'd be no more reason or motivation to keep working. It can help to enrich their lives no matter what their major is. The approach to it or the action of it, there's a cleaner feel to it. We can send them to wherever school. I thought, "Okay." Is there any tradition involved in bolstering the success of that intent? I consent to the use of following cookies: Necessary cookies help make a website usable by enabling basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website. That's whatparaphrasing is probably not completely accurate, but that's what I got out of that. But they just quietlylike Viola was saying, "The little cups are looking good, Neil. I've got that level of skill, and it seems like I've always had it. But he knew that. The brothers both weighed between 10st and 11st whereas Neil was on the small side. NEIL WILLIAMS: And I think her workdid that. And, like with Viola, it was color and form and the figure. So. And I noticed that, in later years, the paintings got really good, and some of the figures were just big. Like I was saying at her memorial service, there's two ways towards immortality for a personchildren and artwork. MIJA RIEDEL: Oh, no. It was the largest sculpture I think ever that year in Europe," or something like that. I love the ocean connections, but then I love desert connections, soand mountain connections. NEIL WILLIAMS: a fluidity. Making something that had a physical presence stayed consistent throughout. I was content to just whoever connected with it, whoever wanted to rep it, wasRena was amazingly helpful. WebNeil Williams horse jockey, racing stats, runners and news from Racing and Sports. I remember, was it Rodin talking about taking the cube of marble and liberating the sphere inside of it. I mean, we're stuck in these ephemeral bodies, and we're just renting them, and people need to have comfort zones, or they need to have zones of, "Okay, this is where I belong. But it wasshe was soamped up on what she was able to do. And then I realized, once I got to Arts and Crafts, what that was about. MIJA RIEDEL: Just the description of the columns as keyholes or thresholds. NEIL WILLIAMS: And Rena was being very encouraging too, so I thought, "Okay, I'll just go with it for a while. They were on the outs. How do you make that and buy yourself time and energy to do your work, your exploratory work, the celebration aspect of it? He was very interested in the music and the arts. The French philosopher talked about lan vital, the vital energy. Was your mother interested in the arts? Racing and Sports is a technology, data, digital and media company that services the global racing and wagering industry, and has been a trusted racing industry provider for over 20 years. Well, okay, call, "What are you doing?" Developer of the H.A.L.T. NEIL WILLIAMS: place to be. And so, and she, I think, got a lot of it. Because he moved out of L.A., NEIL WILLIAMS: because there was an earthquake and they were rude to him. NEIL WILLIAMS: And I think that's also whatand the discipline was there, and I think that also what helpedin the future when we talk about Viola, why she connected with me, and why I connected with her and why she was immediately "Would you come help me and work with me? MIJA RIEDEL: She had a wonderful reputation. I don't do a lot of reading now, butoh, yeah, a lot of writers. [Laughs.] Toby was a student of Arneson's, and went on to teach ceramics forjust retiring, 37 years at the local high school. NEIL WILLIAMS: And I heard, 40 years ago, so you got to find something to do in life that you're not going to get bored with. She had started doing the big men. MIJA RIEDEL: You had an immediate facility with that, from the time you first touched it at 14, it sounds. NEIL WILLIAMS: And the delight, again, back to the plates and the delight of the plates , no matter what the historians need to say about them, there was a bottom line, just pure delight in making them, just like it was pulling things out of the kiln for the first time. She liked being around the school. And I want to make a contribution. Like, "Viola, it's really great, it's really beautiful, but if you did this, we'd save me a couple hours of work here." NEIL WILLIAMS: Spent time in some of Thiebaud's early workshops. She used to make them. Somewhere at the first day of Arts and Crafts, or the first week of Arts and Crafts. NEIL WILLIAMS: Art critic writers, I don't know, they didn't reallythey lose me after a while. My work was being shown and sold through Dorothy Weiss at the same time. She was very patient and shesized people up and, as far as what would be the best fit for Viola. He had very strong opinions of where it should go, of course, but sheshe definitely was her own woman, and she was going to make what she wanted to make. But, so as far as fitting into the bigger picture of the art world, the American art market, American art world, I justit's pretty simple. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, as a child, you perceive an object and you react to it; you practice it. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. She was intoxicated by color and form, like one of theas any good art junkie could be. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. You can directly shop your flowers on Amazon. 0000111774 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. MIJA RIEDEL: Or a challenge, because it brings the work into a different perspective. Andbut he was a mad cobbler because he was a shoeleather and shoe smith, and we'd call him the mad cobbler. Many around Yosemite, too, over the years. NEIL WILLIAMS: And so, for me personally, I thought some of the larger pieces werethat they looked unfinished. So, he filled the word in her life, and she filled the visuals in his. So stayed consistent as far as that approach for a long time. Anything you woke up thinking about when the owl woke you up at about two o'clock in the morning? NEIL WILLIAMS: So they're in thethey're already in the collection there. An amazing colorist. You got to come and help me. By using this form you agree with the storage and handling of your data by this website. . NEIL WILLIAMS: Most of them, yeah, because she got to a pointthere was some re-fires, but she got to a point where she could usually get it in an initial bisque, which had a white wash glaze on it, with a block pattern of some colors, and then a follow-up second attack of colors. Looking back 50 years later, will your faith in the Savior be the most powerful force that moved you forward? Elder Andersen asked BYU students. Those kinds of points, like I say about quotes. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, growing up with three older brothers, I just got my ass kicked all the time. But Viola and Charles' relationship is, like I say, more of artists and sharing the same space, and in mutually enriching each other's lives. NEIL WILLIAMS: They'd tell you to grow up, and yetbut at the same timeit was empowering and working with clay. NEIL WILLIAMS: And itwe talked about itthe lan vital, the vital energyI was getting that back from the pieces. And I would know, for some reason, what she was talking about and then I would pick it up. 0000013392 00000 n ", NEIL WILLIAMS: So, there is athere was comfort in the image. MIJA RIEDEL: When you say great European work, what do you mean? Brown, oldyou know, '60s work. Cultures, it's cultural identity and it's human history. And, in retrospect, looking back on it, it's like it was prettyit's been pretty full. NEIL WILLIAMS: Other than that justlike you'd mentioned last night, earlieror about the second day talking, and feeling more comfortable about what to say and how to say it. "It's virtually impossible to write about an ism when you're in the middle of it. Being held upa little grandmother being held up by a man in a hat and with a gun. And I remember the first few years I was saying, "All right, I just want them to seem alive and interesting. And, for some reason, clay immediately. Very unusual. In other words, conceiving it as a surface for painting. Gosh, who was there then, [Vernon] Coykendall, NEIL WILLIAMS: Boy, I can't think of who else was then. Got tired of insuring it, so they put it on the market, and it was the beginning of the craze when the Japanese were buying. But, he wouldn't go to openings. NEIL WILLIAMS: The flow, and if she had a group of figures, say she would make a dozen figures in a year, she would be building, say, a pair of them. It's not art." And he was the director of SACOG Council of Governments in Sacramento. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. It's like Noguchi would say, "It's an interesting phenomenon. "No, art is about art!" He was kind of an Ag kid, but had a rare take on reality and visual arts. NEIL WILLIAMS: A lot of it being nurtured ironically by the local high school art faculty department. There was a little wheel in the back room that nobody worked with, so. A little bit of contact there. So, it was nice for her to see so many of her students show up there. Squeak Carnwath said that. And there were some of those sections, were 150 pounds and they were 10 feet in the air, all in sections, and I had pull them apart without breaking or chipping anything, get down the ladder, get them in the kiln. NEIL WILLIAMS: But it was something that seemed natural, and I felt comfortable just to finish her sentences, or, if I knew what she was about and she got hung up on aor if shebecause she would ask, "What do you think?" But, the other rub about that was myit's not a rub, it was a good thing. NEIL WILLIAMS: Not so much. NEIL WILLIAMS: Not ACC. This passion naturally rubs off on his wider team, and the fact he's also a great guy and a pleasure to work with, made him a great mentor to me during our time working together. So there was a. We talked about him a little yesterday. . So they're just straight-line cuts all the way down, in thirds. No, it's really like, how do we celebrate our lives? I needed anything." Mario Ferrante spent time on a one-summer workshop with Wayne Thiebaud up in Lake Tahoe. NEIL WILLIAMS: On to visuals. We'll talk about that later, NEIL WILLIAMS: I had been doing pairs of columns since, actually at Arts and Crafts, NEIL WILLIAMS: In fact, one of the earlier pairs, they were showingDorothy Weiss had shown. MIJA RIEDEL: Has travel affected your work at all? In high school, there were ceramics classes? He's a magnificent friend, and he's an interesting guy. NEIL WILLIAMS: I remember Rena being extremelynot cautious, she was just so patient with Viola. MIJA RIEDEL: Oh, okay. The bowl goes all the waybowl form goes all the way back to the cupping of the hands to drink from the stream and primitive man, and it symbolizes so much, still, the concept of a vessel. But. It was not easy towork with, but at the same timeto work for, she was. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I mentioned some artists that I was still in touch with. And, like I say, thrown, but I get them off the wheel as soon as possible to reshape and rework them. 0000057725 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I do a variety of other things. MIJA RIEDEL: Who gave you the bag of clay? The law states that we can store cookies on your device if they are strictly necessary for the operation of this site. Consider following President Eyrings example, Elder Andersen told students. And one of the famous things, we would laugh, and she would get in these vapor brain locks about trying to make a point. MIJA RIEDEL: and that he really had a poetic heart and spirit and that [the war had really MR] left its mark. How can you ever live up to doing anything to honor all this past great art history? But, as far as thinking about deep, life-altering subjects, questions about the universe and how we fit into it or not, I mean, there was some heavy hitters back then. Two hours, I'd be in the ocean, two hours I'd be in the mountains, in the Redwoods, and two hours in being in one of the most beautiful cities in the world, in San Francisco. $ 249.99 Sold Out. She showed great work. Some people here say, when they see them, "Oh, it's a little mad hatter's teapot." She said, "You know, it's all about the magic that happens in the studio, and everything else is secondary, and either manageable or tolerable. NEIL WILLIAMS: Way, way far, pushing the envelope. About your work? Preference cookies enable a website to remember information that changes the way the website behaves or looks, like your preferred language or the region that you are in. On Friday 17 July 2009, Tyrone Leonard Williams rode all four winners at the Langholm Racing Association meeting at Castleholm in Langholm, just one of many flapping tracks that the former professional jockey rode at once he'd 'retired' in 2005. MIJA RIEDEL: Well, they could be. there's an administration aspect to orchestrating all of that. It's early yet. . But it's labor. Go to a show and you see incrementally [ph]. And, she liked the vessel too, so she stayed. 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